Hi all, Im about to climb the stairs to attempt my first ascention. Is there any point taking gems and money and treasure and stuff or should I just be taking usefull tools?
So now that I've ascended a few different characters there are a couple of milestones I like to have accomplished by certain points in the game, like:
Invis / see invis as early as possible Have MR before going deep in the dungeon or mines end
etc.
But the one I want to ask about is teleportitis + intrinsic teleport control.
My most recent Arc ascension was unusual compared to the others in that I didn't get an early source of MR (got it with the orb of detection), nor did I get Teleport Control by the time I was ready to go below dlvl 40. So when I got to Vlad's tower, here was my situation:
Armor: blessed rustproof +4 boots of speed blessed +4 silver dragon scale mail blessed fireproof +4 robe (remember i have MR from OoD) blessed rustproof +3 gauntlets of power blessed rustproof +1 helm of brilliance (I got this last of the floor, was using non magic helm earlier and had run out of EA scrolls, fooproofed it with C?oDA) blessed fireproof +4 Hawaiian shirt uncursed +0 boots of water walking (actually had them before vlad's) uncursed +0 jumping boots
(Relevant) Scrolls: 1x blessed scroll of charging, 0x other 9x cursed scroll of teleportation
(Relevant) Rings: Polymorph Control Conflict Increase Damage +1 Protection +1 Increase Constitution +1 Free action Motley assortment of maybe 7 crappy rings like cursed stuff and resistances already had
My castle wand is already wrested and gone. I haven't smashed perseus yet (I'm an archaeologist and I have [oWW). So now I'm in Vlad's tower and I get a wish! Sweet!
At this point, should TC be a prioriity? I'm polyselfless and would like to remain so, so eating a ring is out of the question. Giving a ring slot to TC sucks anyway; I don't have teleportitis even yet.
I saw three major wish choices: 1) =oL -> allows me to wear [oSpeed on air and water, but I had potions of levitation i could bless, not that necessary 2) =oTC -> I can safely go get teleportitis then I can actually use my C?oTP for rodney's tower and getting the amulet 3) (mm a) cursed scroll of genocide tengu until I get TC, spend the rest on EA b) EA scrolls, spend the rest on cursed scroll of genocide tengu
----- what actually happened follows ------
I ended up going for 3a, got a 0:41 marker and manged to get 4 C? ogenocide out of it. Why did I gamble so much? I got teleportitis on the first scroll but didn't ever get TC despite eating like 13 tengu corpses. Also got my conduct all the way down to transgressed in the process.
Went back up to polypile for teleport control rings, failed, managed to ring out the bell of opening in the process (i really should have #adjust ed it to a less convenient key, it was lowercase "i", my bag of holding was o, so I accidentally typed "ai" -> use bell of opening, instead of "aoi" -> put something in bag of holding.
So now I'm on dlvl 12 with almost no scrolls except for my cursed scrolls of teleport and scrolls of gold detection, maybe 6 useless rings, 450 hp from alchemization, an empty bell of opening and teleportitis. i had a very rusty lockpick from earlier polypiling my starting very rusty pickaxe, so i felt my only recourse at that point was to go pudding farm (which I really didn't want to ever do in a conductless game, makes it too easy). agreed? p.s. i had also found a bones pile in gehennom (someone shot themself with a /oDeath) that had mostly things i already had, sdsm etc., but they did have =oSD and =oL which was nice. no bag of holding so very few consumables (i.e. scrolls potions).
results of the pudding farm were 2 scrolls of charging and a bunch more crappy rings, but it took two shots of polymorph (and therefore another use of charging scroll) before i finally got the =oTC. (and 23 blessed diluted potions of full healing) also manage to nuke my boh in the process post-form (which was mostly empty as i had cleaned out my inventory to leave weight room for the farm, but it got my 5 "oLS, my =oFA, my =oL, my full wand of death, one of the puddings had dropped a blessed /oCancellation and I didn't realize; serves me right though for farming) so even though the farm dropped a magic lamp i used it on another one. but i felt dirty the whole time and didnt even bother to kill off most of the puddings after so i had to fight through them on the ascension run (good thing the stairs were close on that floor), whoops
anyway
Your inventory Amulets p - an uncursed amulet of life saving (being worn) Weapons H - the blessed +7 Grayswandir (weapon in hand) S - a blessed +7 silver saber (wielded in other hand) Armor b - a blessed fireproof +4 pair of speed boots (being worn) h - a blessed fireproof +4 robe (being worn) l - a blessed +4 silver dragon scale mail (being worn) C - a cursed rustproof +5 helm of brilliance (being worn) N - a blessed rustproof +5 pair of gauntlets of power (being worn) Y - a blessed fireproof +4 Hawaiian shirt (being worn) Comestibles y - 2 uncursed lumps of royal jelly Scrolls u - 7 uncursed scrolls of gold detection // i got really lucky in the water plane, i was planning to use one every 5 steps but i didnt have to D - a cursed scroll of create monster // autopickup Spellbooks j - the uncursed Book of the Dead Potions W - a cursed potion of healing Rings a - an uncursed ring of levitation d - an uncursed ring of slow digestion // no clue why this was in my main inventory z - an uncursed ring of conflict F - an uncursed ring of slow digestion (on left hand) G - an uncursed ring of free action (on right hand) I - an uncursed ring of teleport control K - an uncursed ring of regeneration Wands f - a wand of fire (0:5) g - a wand of cancellation (0:7) i - a wand of sleep (0:4) n - a wand of striking (0:2) s - a blessed wand of digging (0:2) t - a wand of lightning (0:6) w - a wand of digging (0:0) A - a wand of fire (0:4) M - a blessed wand of cold (0:4) P - a wand of death (0:0) // no charging scrolls Q - a wand of striking (0:0) R - a wand of digging (0:0) T - a wand of teleportation (0:4) U - a wand of lightning (0:3) X - a wand of polymorph (2:4) Z - a wand of probing (0:5) Tools c - an uncursed very rusty stethoscope e - a blessed +0 unicorn horn k - an uncursed towel m - the Bell of Opening (1:1) o - a blessed greased fireproof bag of holding q - an uncursed skeleton key v - a magic marker (1:26) // got this polypiling the pudding results x - a blessed oil lamp E - the uncursed Candelabrum of Invocation (no candles attached) V - the blessed Orb of Detection (0:5) Gems L - an uncursed touchstone O - a blessed luckstone
Goodbye durron597 the Demigod... You went to your reward with 6000920 points, The Book of the Dead (worth 10000 zorkmids and 25000 points) The Bell of Opening (worth 5000 zorkmids and 12500 points) Demonbane (worth 2500 zorkmids and 6250 points) Frost Brand (worth 3000 zorkmids and 7500 points) The Candelabrum of Invocation (worth 5000 zorkmids and 12500 points) Grayswandir (worth 8000 zorkmids and 20000 points) The Orb of Detection (worth 2500 zorkmids and 6250 points) 15 rubies (worth 52500 zorkmids), 7 emeralds (worth 17500 zorkmids), 6 dilithium crystals (worth 27000 zorkmids), 6 obsidian stones (worth 1200 zorkmids), 5 amber stones (worth 5000 zorkmids), 5 topaz stones (worth 4500 zorkmids), 4 sapphires (worth 12000 zorkmids), 4 garnet stones (worth 2800 zorkmids), 4 amethyst stones (worth 2400 zorkmids), 4 jasper stones (worth 2000 zorkmids), 3 diamonds (worth 12000 zorkmids), 3 jacinth stones (worth 9750 zorkmids), 3 turquoise stones (worth 6000 zorkmids), 3 aquamarine stones (worth 4500 zorkmids), 3 jade stones (worth 900 zorkmids), 2 black opals (worth 5000 zorkmids), 2 citrine stones (worth 3000 zorkmids), 1 jet stone (worth 850 zorkmids), 1 chrysoberyl stone (worth 700 zorkmids), 1 fluorite stone (worth 400 zorkmids), 2 amulets of life saving (worth 300 zorkmids), 2 amulets of magical breathing (worth 300 zorkmids), 1 amulet of ESP (worth 150 zorkmids), 1 amulet of change (worth 150 zorkmids),
btw I'm now completely convinced that high score is a bad thing, because this was by far my dirtiest game (dug for victory to the castle wand since I didn't have MR, killed everything with the drawbridge, used /osleep on the eels), then ended up pudding farming and polypiling for a ring of teleport control, and it my highest score by a wide margin.
yeah this was a long writeup for a standard ascension. thanks for getting this far.
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Been making some progress with my veritable horde of (now dead) valkyries. Currently been working out a strategy that gets me to mine town and finished sokoban each game if possible (i'm pretty new to this still). I'm doing ok, but it's very slow going as I am collecting up every item that drops and hoarding them. This includes standard weaponry and armor (the armor i can BUC check and then try on, but the weapons are generally dead weight).
Will all this extra stuff be useful later on, once I get a little more practiced at using things like polymorph wands and the like? At the moment the only use I can think of for this random stuff is polymorphing. Now, I figure it's going to be a while until i have the luxury of being able to do this (i think i'v had one poly wand ever since i figured out how to ID wands :p). Is it worth keeping all this stuff stashed? Are there any other uses for it, or should I just leave all the crap around the place? obviously if something can be used against me (wands, potions and the like) or magic stuff, I stash that. But does it make much difference if i leave scimitars and knives and the like lying around?
My first Archeologist ascension!! I now have 2 knights, 1 wizard, 1 barbarian, and 1 archeologist for vanilla Nethack 3.4.3. I also have 1 Valkyrie in vanilla Nethack 3.3.1.
This ascension was rather routine. I'm not into serious challenges yet; I want to ascend each role first. So I did some genociding--mind flayers and master mind flayers and all L's. I also did some wishing-- main items were silver dragon scale mail, spellbook of identify, water walking boots, an extra bag of holding. And I did die once on the Astral plane (but I had on an amulet of life saving)
Two items worth noting:
1) I found a wand of wishing very, very early. That gave me the silver dragon scale mail, which got my AC down quickly and the spellbook of ID, which helped me ID stuff early.
2) I got Grayswandir very, very early. Twoweapon conduct with this and a silver sabre gave me a very potent attack. I note this because I've died numerous times when I was close to ascending (i.e. post meeting Rodney). The reason that I died (at least my belief) is a lack of offensive power. I had low AC, was unburdened but was overwhelmed by the hordes of monsters that come at you thanks to Rodney and the priests of Moloch. On this and my previous ascensions, I had a potent attack and could fight my way through the hordes.
cabergerson wrote: > A friend was telling me today that the best stuff was found deeper than the > 4000 feet that I am at. How deep have you gone and is there better stuff > down there > > level 50..... the Balrog (B) has the best stuff ;)
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